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Did I say I owe thanks? Turns out it was more than I thought. I took another look at the parts I removed today and the washer behind the Z25 fell apart in my hands. My guess is that I only had a few miles left before serious damage to the engine. Luckily the people in Barnsley have a complete kit in stock. Anyone know where 8mm valve shims can be had? Bennett don't have any new ones and are recycling shims from serviced bikes.
 
Hello all, this is my experience with the hot start problem. I changed Z25 gear and alternator shaft but the problem did not go away. Then I changed starter motor gears but the problem is still there. I'm now considering to change the clutch drum. Anybody else has experienced the same?
 
I had hot start problems, too. I changed the starter motor and battery, it worked so far but when the engine was very hot the cranking was not perfect. I changed the battery cables and from this moment on, no problems anymore! I know many people with the same experience! TNT red has changed starter motor (and other possible things), too so I believe the battery cables will be the solution.
 
Hello all, this is my experience with the hot start problem. I changed Z25 gear and alternator shaft but the problem did not go away. Then I changed starter motor gears but the problem is still there. I'm now considering to change the clutch drum. Anybody else has experienced the same?
There was/is a bike here in Australia (I think) that had the factory beat. It turned out that the alternator drive shaft WAS the culprit, but it wasn't solved by replacement with the latest part. The factory had one specially made.
I understood that it was owned by a guy in South Australia who was a forum member.
It might be a false memory, but it's what I remember!

Maybe someone else has a recollection?
 
Greetings! I need some assistance.

Hi everyone,

It seems the Z25 is a major issue especially here in my country. The heat reaches 42 degrees on its high and causes the engine to overheat many a time.
I have been riding my Trek almost 25000km now but i have had to change the Z25 shaft and bolt.. 4 times already.

I now see the possible solution to the z25 reading your threads.

What i need now is the Belleville spring washer for the M10 bolt.. that is attached to the Z25. I cant find it in my country. Perhaps any one of you genltemen can assist me in getting this item or point me to the right place - (contact info) for me to make an order for the washers.

I really need help as I am now running on my last Z25 shaft set.

Please respond the soonest.

Many thanks..
Gorden

P/s - I am riding a Benelli Tre1130K
 
Contact either maniac motors in Germany or Bennetts of Barnsley in the
UK the should have the washers and I recommend new bolts every time.


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Thanks for the leadm - Benelli Tre1130K Belleville Washer

Contact either maniac motors in Germany or Bennetts of Barnsley in the UK the should have the washers and I recommend new bolts every time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Dear Sir, Thank you for the lead. I have contacted Maniac Motors and they have the bolt and the washers.
 
Sir. Now that's a first. [emoji106][emoji106][emoji106] No problem. My friend.


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A few guys have asked me for instructions on replacing the Z25 gear and shaft, so I thought that it might be worth posting these for all and sundry.

NOTE :- This is how I went about it and it worked for me but you choose to follow these instructions at your own risk :rolleyes:

Right here we go :-

Undo the 3 bolts and remove the clutch actuator as this needs to be out of the way to remove the alternator. Use some cable ties to pull the coolant pipes temporarily out of the way to-wards the front of the bike.

Remove the alternator and you will see the alternator drive flange and cush drive rubbers. These rubbers may be worn and should be inspected/changed as they have been known to disintegrate.

The O-ring fitted to the groove in the alternator can stretch with age and may need to be shortened and re-joined with superglue or replaced to prevent it getting damaged when refitting the alternator into it's recess, resulting in an oil leek.

You will see the Z25 bolt in the centre of the alternator drive flange. There should be a tab washer fitted to prevent the bolt from un-doing itself; this is no longer the preferred method as a Bellville washer is now used. Bend the tab washer away from the bolt head.......bit fiddly if I remember!

The clutch basket needs to be fitted to prevent the shaft from turning when you try to undo the old z25 bolt. Put the bike in top gear and apply the rear brake to undo the Z25 shaft bolt, or hold the clutch with a clutch holding tool to prevent it from turning.

Remove the z25 bolt, discard the tab washer and remove the alternator drive flange from the end of the Z25 shaft. Remove clutch. Use a rod to push out the z25 shaft from the alternator side and leave the rod in place as this will hold the internal crankcase gear in situ and prevent it from dropping out of position (you do not want this to happen)

Fit new Z25 gear and shaft ensure etched triangles are aligned (if the upgraded parts have them) and tap the shaft to drive the rod you left in place earlier through to-wards the alternator side. Refit the drive flange and then the new washer and bolt with the correct loctite as you don't want this to come off again in a hurry. Check the nut on the end of the alternator spindle to make sure this is not loose then fit the cush rubbers and alternator but be careful you don’t snag the alternator 'o' ring. NOTE:- A small spot of superglue can be used to temporarily hold the rubbers in place when you refit the alternator.

Refit clutch etc.

The relevant torque settings for a 900 Tornado and the Loctite codes are noted below along with the spec of the HT bolt:-

- The clutch main nut torque is 80 NM
(NOTE:- torque to only 50 NM for a dry clutch) with loctite 648 applied
- The clutch cover torque is 10 NM no loctite applied
- The Z25 bolt torque is 50 NM with loctite 648 applied
- The alternator torque is 27 NM with loctite 243 applied
- The clutch actuator torque is 10 NM with loctite 243 applied

- Z25 bolt - M10x1.25 (metric fine thread) x 25mm long 8.8 specification high tensile bolt

There are a couple of pics on this post which may help.
Hi you say tighten clutch main bolt to 80nm or 50 for a dry clutch mines a tornado tre900 is that a dry clutch ?
 
Z25 replacement

Hi,
Shaft and gear has now been installed (all new). Alternator drive installed. The old bolt was used to pull the 3 components together to seat them and the end float checked (none found).Bolt and washer was then removed.
The shaft is recessed in the alternator drive by 1.7mm similar to Red TNT's picture on page 5 of this thread. Is that correct?
The shaft also protrudes a little from the end of the z25 gear clutch side.
Has anyone got any measurements for me to compare?
Thanks Julian
 
Hello Friends! I have recently owned a TNT 1130 and I have a problem with starting on a hot engine. I came across this topic. My question. Is "z25" good for me? (maybe someone could have exchanged before)









Greetings from Poland!
 
If you haven't had the alternator drive shaft/Z25 gear upgraded then it's highly likely that will be your problem. The original batch of upgraded parts had alignment triangles etched into the end of the shaft and gear, later ones had them engraved, still later ones dispensed with alignment altogether, as far as I understand it. Others may like to add their two cents worth .....

Other causes for difficulty in hot starting are your battery and it's cabling to the starter motor. Doubling the cable cross section helps a lot, and if your battery can no longer deliver 200 Amps, it will struggle to spin over a hot 900, let alone the longer stroke 1130 .
 
If you haven't had the alternator drive shaft/Z25 gear upgraded then it's highly likely that will be your problem. The original batch of upgraded parts had alignment triangles etched into the end of the shaft and gear, later ones had them engraved, still later ones dispensed with alignment altogether, as far as I understand it. Others may like to add their two cents worth .....

Other causes for difficulty in hot starting are your battery and it's cabling to the starter motor. Doubling the cable cross section helps a lot, and if your battery can no longer deliver 200 Amps, it will struggle to spin over a hot 900, let alone the longer stroke 1130 .
Thank you for the answer, my battery is definitely good, it has 240amps inrush current. It's in great condition. I will check the wiring.


I thought about the aribox temperature sensor, if it could cause such a problem.


My Z25 sprocket has no markings or engravers.
 
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